Talk:Leka, Prince of Albania

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The information I have added concerning his birth and the medal collected for his Grandmother is accurate and should be included. (Couter-revolutionary 17:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

This is getting ridiculous.

• Prince Leka cannot be called crown prince because that is the title of his father. He will only crown prince if Albania becomes a monarch and his father ascends to the throne.
• Under the maiden name rule, the late Queen Susan reverts to her maiden name or maiden title, namely Susan Cullen-Ward (just as the late British queen mother reverted to Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, and the late Queen Marie-José of Italy reverted to Marie-José of Belgium.)
• Styles like His Royal Highness cannot be used on WP under the Manual of Style and are deleted on sight.

The POVing of the Albanian articles has gone beyond a joke at this stage. This article is required to follow the exact same rules and regulations as other royal articles. If the POVing of this article continues it will end up sprotected like other Albanian royal articles. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 18:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, if Leka I was merely a "Crown Prince", then how could Susan have been "Queen"? СЛУЖБА (talk) 07:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

It was not me and I do not agree with what has been done with this article! (Couter-revolutionary 19:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

I know it was not you, c-r. I should have made that clear. Sorry. For some reason of late, defunct monarchy pages are being targeted like this for unsourced additions, inaccurate use of terminology, additions contrary to the Manual of Style and the Naming conventions. BTW I've changed the succession box to be the list of succession to the throne. Do you know who is behind Leka? If so, please fill it in. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 19:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Photo

Is the photo in the article actually of Prince Leka?

I haven't seen Prince Leka in person for a few years now. The photograph is certainly not unlike how I remember him, although he does, perhaps, have a bigger build, which, one would expect on passing out of Sandhurst.--Couter-revolutionary 17:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Please find a better picture of the Prince. That one is not the right picture to be shown in his main biography description. Bardhylius 00:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not a photo of Princ Leka I just saw him on TV 10 min. ago Miloti

I met him. He looked really quite a lot like that. He was also a very nice chap. -Sara —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.251.163 (talk) 08:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The current photo is of Prince Leka, however there have being some imposters, who have changed the photo. from a friend of the Monachy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.20.84.22 (talk) 23:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Languages

Being born and brought up in South Africa, why is there no mention of him being able to speak Afrikaans? This is a prerequisite to passing "matric" the final year of school in South Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.47.120 (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

It is mentioned that he learnt Afrikaans at school as well as Zulu, which is also a prerequisite in passing the South African "matric". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.20.72.25 (talk) 18:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Heir

I am not sure that Skender Zogu is the heir of Prince Leka? There are descendants of KIng Zog's sisters around, and at one time Prince Tati was hier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.68.221 (talk) 11:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

The sisters of Zog, whose descendants are still alive yes, are not the heirs. Skender Zogu is the son of King Zog's elder brother, I think Skender should really be Prince Skender, but he does not use this himself. Prince Tati, the Prince of Kosova, had no children, but, yes, he was Zog's heir presumptive prior to the birth of the Crown Prince.--Couter-revolutionary 13:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

To say "I think Skender should really be Prince Skender" and then say "He does not use this himself" as hardly a good case that he is Heir Presumptive is it!? What evidence do you have? Logically as Prince Tati was heir presumptive before Prince Leka was born (and not Skender), Tati was presumably heir of Prince Leka until he died, in which case the heir of Prince Leka will be another son of one of King Zog's sisters? I know that logic does not always apply but unless there is real evidence that Skender has been declared Leka II's son hier, supplanting all descendants of King Zog's sisters I will remove it from the page. If there is evidence fair enough.

The point about Skender being a Prince is really academic, with no bearing on his being heir. I think that as the son of a Prince this is his right to use it, the fact that he does not, so far as I know, has no influence upon his right to succeed as head of the House of Zog. So far as I am aware Tati's place as heir before the brith of Leka I was somewhat of an anomoly. He was chosen, because of his qualities, personally by Zog. Prince Tati (b.1923) was also ten years older than Skender, which may have played its part. Many of Zog's sisters' descendants are females and I think this would decrease their claim. Skender has a higher position as the son of a male, Prince Xhemal. I shall write to Skender to confirm this issue, I do hope this clarifies my point.--Couter-revolutionary 13:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Many of Zog's sisters' descendants are females is true - probably half of them are, but I am not aware that Albanian royal family has Salic Law debarring female inheritance. My guess is that Prince Leka has no official heir as such, assuming one day he will marry and have children, but if there were to be anyone I would guess it is Hyssein Doshishti, being the most senior and male nephew of King Zog. However I do not presume to put that on the website. Zog declared his half-brother a Prince but I never heard of that title going to his children. I would have thought a full-nephew would take precedence over a half-nephew? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.68.221 (talk) 01:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

You are quite correct; I do not think there is a designated heir either, at the moment. The Almanach de Gotha does not allude to one. I did seek to make this presumption and came up with Skender; mainly on the assumption that his current close relationship with the King perhaps alluded to it. I shall not seek to include him as heir any longer, you are correct, it is not a fact, so far as we know. I shall, however, attempt to find out more.--Couter-revolutionary 11:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

To clarify this matter: Kingdom of Albania succession law as set by Fundemental law (constitution) was salic i.e. males in male-line only. There are citations from law regarding matter: Chapter II - The Executive Power, Section A - The King, Article 50. The King of the Albanians is His Majesty Zog I, of the illustrious Albanian family of Zogu. Article 51. The Heir to the Throne shall be the King's eldest son. and the succession shall continue generation after generation in the direct male line. Article 52. Should the Heir die or lose his rights to the Throne, his eldest son shall succeed. Should the Heir to the Throne die or lose his rights and leave no son, the succession shall pass to the brother coming after him. Article 53. Should there be no Heir to the Throne under articles 51 and 52, the King shall select his successor from among the male members of his family, but the King's selection shall be with the consent of Parliament. Should the King not use his prerogative, and the succession remain vacant, Parliament shall then select a male member of the King's family as successor to the Throne. Because of that pricess Geraldine is not heir to the throne of her father. Kolomaznik (talk) 09:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I wish I will live to see him one day crown as a King! Long live the King! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.155.211 (talk) 20:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation: Career with the Albanian Foreign Ministry

The section on his career with the Albanian foreign ministry was lifted directly from here and is also almost incomprehensible. Reggie Perrin (talk) 22:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Birth Room

It says in the article that the room in which he was born was turned into Albanian territory by the SA government to assure he was born on Albanian soil. That seems strange to me. Why would the SA government do a thing like that and how could they have done so without the coorperation of the then Communist Albanian government? I'm pretty sure that the Albanian government of the day would have no part in such a thing. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

A myth, didn't happen. Even if the room was declared Albanian territory, that would have no legal effect.Royalcourtier (talk) 05:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Religion

The article doesn't say what religion he belongs to, nor does Leka, Crown Prince of Albania say what religion his father belongs to, but Zog of Albania says his grandfather was a Sunni Muslim. But the article does say that King Baudouin of Belgium was his godfather, which strongly suggests he's a Roman Catholic. Has the Albanian royal family converted to Catholicism? +Angr 08:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The family are still Muslim. Zog was buried in Muslim rites, at his son's strong insistence. To what degree they are involved/practice, I'm unsure, but still Muslim - had strong links with Saudi Royals, etc.

Then what does it mean to say Baudouin was his godfather? Does Islam have some equivalent role, and can it be fulfilled by a Christian? +Angr 15:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, I see that Queen Geraldine was a Roman Catholic, and the article says nothing about her having converted to Islam. Couldn't Crown Prince Leka have been raised in his mother's religion? Also, "Queen" Susan's obituary says nothing about her converting to Islam either, but it does say their marriage was blessed by an Anglican clergyman from Australia. Since Zog was a Muslim, I can understand that his son would insist on a Muslim funeral, even if son isn't (even nominally) Muslim himself. +Angr 16:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I've read quite a bit about the Zogus and I certainly remember seeing somewhere that Leka I had committed to Islam, and I vaguely recall same for Leka II. The family were never terribly devout, Zog was even sworn in with the Bible in one hand and a Koran in the other! Ah, here's a source; p. 214 Gwen Robyns' bio. of Geraldine; "he [Leka II] will be raised in the Muslim faith in preparation for his 18th birthday when he is presented to the free Albanians of the world." You are correct that Queen Geraldine didn't convert and, perhaps for this reason, her wedding to Zog was a civil one only performed by the President of the Houses of Parliament by reading from the Civil Code, it's also interesting to note Geraldine became a Princess of Albania before her marriage. Hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.42.41 (talk) 09:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

At the funeral of his father recently, you can see Leka II doing a Muslim dua prayer in front of his father koffin and later again in front of his grave.62.31.46.87 (talk) 06:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

King Zog was moderate Muslim and gave sanctuary to Jews in the war. Queen Geraldine was Christian of the Catholic tradition, Queen Susan was Christian of the Anglican tradition. At King Leka's funeral were 4 religious leaders for the Bektashi, Muslim, Albanian Orthodox and Roman Catholic communities. ChilternGiant (talk) 22:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Under "Muslim" do you mean Sunni? СЛУЖБА (talk) 08:33, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

In the official biography of King Zog, "King Zog of Albania: Europe's Self-Made Muslim Monarch" by Jason Tomes, it states that Crown Prince Leka took the shahada (the Muslim declaration of faith which receives a person into Islam) in 1958 on becoming an adult and at his father's insistence. Also, the civil wedding was perfectly in accordance with Islamic religious law, which at any rate allows a Muslim man to marry a Christian (or Jewish) woman so long as the children from the marriage are raised Muslim.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 11:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be Johannesburg, Albania?

When Prince Leka II was born in Johannesburg, the South African government proclaimed his hospital room Albanian territory for 24 hours. Therefore, it's technically correct (the best kind of correct) to say that Prince Leka II was born in Johannesburg, Albania instead of Johannesburg, South Africa. Does anyone agree with this? I think it's pretty interesting... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerse (talk • contribs) 14:13, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Not so, as there was no proclamation that his hospital room was Albanian territory. That is an urban myth.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Even if a room were made part of Albania, (which the government of Albania would never have accepted), the whole of Johannesburg would not have been in Albania. ChilternGiant (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested moves

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Reliable sources do seem to refer to both as "Crown Prince" most frequently. Second move is to Leka, Crown Prince of Albania (born 1939), rather than using a year range, per usual disambiguation. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 13:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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• Prince Leka of Albania → Leka, Crown Prince of Albania (born 1982)
• Leka, Crown Prince of Albania → Leka, Crown Prince of Albania (1939–2011)

– Leka, Crown Prince of Albania (1939–2011), the son of King Zog I of Albania, died in 2011, so his son, Leka, Crown Prince of Albania (born 1982), is the new claimant of the Crown Prince title. Both of them would need the years on the titles as they share the same given name. 2001:8A0:FA54:3801:60C4:1A43:DB43:45C (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support Leka, Crown Prince of Albania (born 1939) for second one 2601:541:4204:7760:D18A:57B0:E89C:13D6 (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Leka, Prince of Albania/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I have assessed this article as stub class. There isn't much to say about Prince Leka at this point, because he's still young; therefore, the information here would in my opinion be sufficient for an upgrade to Start class if it was more fluently written and better organised under subheadings. It would be even better if a picture could be added, and perhaps if an infobox like the one on Crown Prince Leka's page could be added, too. It is particularly important that references be found for some of this information. The Vanity Fair article mentioned might be a starting point. -- TinaSparkle 11:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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Dubious

What is the mechanism for a country to unilaterally declare some piece of land to be part of Albania? It seems somewhat implausible.... 31.124.167.179 (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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